All times are UTC + 1 --------------------- (21:57:39) law: All, please also join #vote (21:58:44) BenediktFr heißt jetzt BenediktFrenzel (22:01:01) Modus (+vv BenediktFrenzel TomasTrnka) von law (22:01:30) VoteBot: law has started a vote on: Test vote run (22:01:30) ***VoteBot please vote on: Test vote run (22:02:00) TomasTrnka: could anyone voice me on #vote too, please? (22:02:27) aphexer heißt jetzt AlexanderPrinsier (22:02:33) WernerDworak: Mario, Du bist wieder law (22:02:44) law heißt jetzt MarioLipinski (22:03:14) Modus (+v AlexanderPrinsier) von MarioLipinski (22:03:30) ***VoteBot Voting on "Test vote run" will end in 30 seconds! (22:04:31) ***VoteBot has totaled the results for "Test vote run" (22:04:34) ***VoteBot --- AYE: 10 (22:04:34) ***VoteBot --- NAYE: 6 (22:04:35) ***VoteBot --- ABSTAIN: 10 (22:04:42) MarioLipinski: DannyAdair, john, MarkDixon, nb, wytze: If you are a member please change you nick to FirstnameLastname (22:04:55) wytze heißt jetzt WytzevanderRaay (22:05:10) Modus (+v WytzevanderRaay) von MarioLipinski (22:05:34) dirkastrath: @mario "@dirk_at_server" is for logging purposes only ... please ignore this one ... (22:05:36) john heißt jetzt JohnCagnol (22:07:22) MarioLipinski: Dear members. Voting during this agm takes place in #vote. Please all also join this channel. (22:07:43) magu_viewonly: test (22:07:53) Modus (+v JohnCagnol) von MarioLipinski (22:08:54) LambertHofstra: Hi all (22:09:01) JanDittberner: hi (22:09:03) DorisSteinbichler: hi (22:09:24) MartinGummi: hello (22:09:32) LambertHofstra: I guess most of the members that wanted to join the AGM are here now (22:09:53) Modus (+o LambertHofstra) von MarioLipinski (22:10:10) MarkDixon: I'm just a community member, non-voting, just observing. (22:10:23) LambertHofstra: Therefore I would like to open the meeting. (22:10:30) LambertHofstra: Welcome members (22:10:38) LambertHofstra: And welcome observers (22:10:54) LambertHofstra: Our first item is identifying members (22:11:35) LambertHofstra: Mario has checked your names and everyone who is a paying members should now have a sign before their name (+v) (22:12:44) LambertHofstra: The proxies for the meeting are: (22:13:00) LambertHofstra: Gary Lee Adams -> Wytze van der Raay, Lambert Hofstra (22:13:13) LambertHofstra: Marc Hofmann -> Marcus Mängel (22:13:25) LambertHofstra: Jeffery Scott Frederick -> Ulrich Schröter, Marcus Mängel (22:13:37) LambertHofstra: Voting: (22:14:12) LambertHofstra: There are a few moments where you can vote. (22:14:26) LambertHofstra: These will be announced, like the test a few minutes ago (22:14:28) LambertHofstra: Rules for voting: (22:14:28) LambertHofstra: you can vote "aye" or "yes" (if you agree) and "naye" or "no" (if you do not agree). These votes are counted. However, you can also vote "abstain". If you vote "abstain" your vote will not be counted. (22:14:28) LambertHofstra: If you are the proxy for another member you can vote by typing: (22:14:28) LambertHofstra: "proxy membername aye/naye/abstain" (22:15:11) LambertHofstra: When voting for persons (board members) the only vote taht counts is "aye" or "yes" (22:15:41) Modus (+v BenediktFrenzel) von MarioLipinski (22:15:59) LambertHofstra: Agenda: (22:16:10) LambertHofstra: A link was sent to all members: https://wiki.cacert.org/AGM/Next (22:16:20) LambertHofstra: We'll use the following agenda: (22:16:44) LambertHofstra: Identify members entitled to vote, present proxies list (22:16:46) LambertHofstra: (done) (22:16:57) LambertHofstra: Confirm the minutes of the (22:17:24) LambertHofstra: * annual general meeting 2011-02-27, * special general meeting 2011-04-03, * special general meeting 2011-05-08. * Report of the Committee on the activities during the financial year July 2010 to June 2011. * Receiving and considering the statement which is required to be submitted to members under section 26(6) of the act. * Election of office-bearers of the association and ordinary members of the committee. (22:18:00) LambertHofstra: (I must copy line by line) (22:18:02) LambertHofstra: Special Resolution: rule change. Make CAcert Inc. rules Association Act 2009 compliant (*). By Ulrich Schröter. (22:18:13) UlrichSchroeter: who is making minutes ? (22:18:16) LambertHofstra: Replace Association Act 1984 Links with Accociation Act 2009 Links within current CAcert Inc (22:18:26) LambertHofstra: Special resolution: rule change. Delete Common Seal (39) (*). By Ulrich Schröter (22:18:37) LambertHofstra: Special resolution: rule change. Correct Error (13.1) (*). By Ulrich Schröter (22:18:55) LambertHofstra: 13.1 refers to rule 11 not rule 12. As it talks about a a right of an appeal against a resolution of the committee this would indicate it is referring to Rule 12. (22:19:12) LambertHofstra: PiersLauder, can I ask you to make minutes? (22:19:23) PiersLauder: Will do (22:19:42) LambertHofstra: Ok (22:21:03) LambertHofstra: Are there any questions so far? (22:21:36) LambertHofstra: Then let's go to the first agenda item: acceptance of the AGM minutes: https://wiki.cacert.org/AGM/AGM20110227#Minutes (22:22:29) LambertHofstra: Can I ask for a vote to accept the minutes? (22:22:45) PatrickPointu: so moved (22:23:33) LambertHofstra: Mario, can you start the votebot? (22:23:35) VoteBot: MarioLipinski has started a vote on: Accept AGM minutes: https://wiki.cacert.org/AGM/AGM20110227#Minutes (22:23:35) ***VoteBot please vote on: Accept AGM minutes: https://wiki.cacert.org/AGM/AGM20110227#Minutes (22:25:35) ***VoteBot Voting on "Accept AGM minutes: https://wiki.cacert.org/AGM/AGM20110227#Minutes" will end in 30 seconds! (22:26:05) VoteBot hat den Raum verlassen (quit: Excess Flood). (22:26:48) AlexanderBahlo: votebot is overloaded (22:27:08) TomasTrnka: VoteBot seems to never learn, gets kicked for flooding every year :-) (22:27:14) VoteBot [VoteBot@CAcert.Web.Interface.User] hat den Raum betreten. (22:27:18) LambertHofstra: Mario: can we try another time? (22:27:53) WytzevanderRaay: the result of the vote was pretty clear, I did not see any NAYEs (22:28:00) dirkastrath: ack (22:28:16) WernerDworak: go ahead (22:28:29) GuillaumeRomagny: yes let's go ahead (22:28:30) AlexanderBahlo: one vote was first counted as aye but was then quite afterwards rejected as "didnt understand" (22:28:31) VoteBot hat den Raum verlassen (quit: Remote host closed the connection). (22:28:34) VoteBot [VoteBot@CAcert.Web.Interface.User] hat den Raum betreten. (22:28:47) AlexanderBahlo: this was the vote of JanDittberner (22:28:59) JanDittberner: I meant aye ... so no problem (22:29:34) LambertHofstra: I counted 25 aye's and 5 abstains (quick scan) (22:29:52) LambertHofstra: That seems to me that the AGM minutes are accepted (22:30:23) LambertHofstra: The second agenda item: acceptance of the SGM minutes of april 2011: https://wiki.cacert.org/SGM/SGM20110403#Minutes (22:30:33) dirkastrath: @lamberthofstra ... we/piers can count them later in detail for the agm minutes, let's continue (22:30:49) LambertHofstra: Mario: would it be possible to start votebot again for the SGM minutes? (22:30:58) LambertHofstra: dirk: ok, great (22:31:11) VoteBot: MarioLipinski has started a vote on: acceptance of the SGM minutes of april 2011: https://wiki.cacert.org/SGM/SGM20110403#Minutes (22:31:11) ***VoteBot please vote on: acceptance of the SGM minutes of april 2011: https://wiki.cacert.org/SGM/SGM20110403#Minutes (22:32:41) ***VoteBot Voting on "acceptance of the SGM minutes of april 2011: https://wiki.cacert.org/SGM/SGM20110403#Minutes" will end in 30 seconds! (22:33:11) VoteBot hat den Raum verlassen (quit: Excess Flood). (22:33:19) TomasTrnka: Is it just my IRC or does the VoteBot seem confused? I've seen several incomplete confirmations (22:33:48) BenediktHeintel: this has been secret votes (22:34:00) BenediktHeintel: ballots (22:34:12) MarioLipinski: [Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:33:19 GMT] INFO [SENT] PRIVMSG #vote :ACTION --- AYE: 24 (22:34:12) MarioLipinski: [Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:33:19 GMT] INFO [SENT] PRIVMSG #vote :ACTION --- NAYE: 0 (22:34:13) MarioLipinski: [Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:33:19 GMT] INFO [SENT] PRIVMSG #vote :ACTION --- ABSTAIN: 8 (22:34:26) TomasTrnka: BenediktHeintel: Ah, that's a feature I don't know about. That's via msg votebot? (22:34:29) VoteBot [VoteBot@CAcert.Web.Interface.User] hat den Raum betreten. (22:34:29) WytzevanderRaay: It seems that VoteBot gets the "Excess Flood" error exactly at the moment it should close the vote and announce the results ... (22:34:47) Modus (+o VoteBot) von MarioLipinski (22:35:01) BenediktHeintel: TomasTrnka right /msg votebot {aye|naye|abstain} (22:35:15) TomasTrnka: BenediktHeintel: oK, thanks for clarification (22:35:27) BenediktHeintel: ThorstenFroese, you are welcome (22:35:34) BenediktHeintel: TomasTrnka, I meant (22:35:45) MarioLipinski heißt jetzt law (22:35:46) LambertHofstra: so 24 aye, 8 abstain (22:35:57) LambertHofstra: that means the SGM minutes are accepted (22:36:08) LambertHofstra: The third agenda item: acceptance of the SGM minutes of may 2011: https://wiki.cacert.org/SGM/SGM20110508#Minutes (22:36:17) LambertHofstra: Mario, can I call for a vote? (22:36:31) VoteBot: law has started a vote on: Accept SGM minutes of may 2011: https://wiki.cacert.org/SGM/SGM20110508#Minutes (22:36:31) ***VoteBot please vote on: Accept SGM minutes of may 2011: https://wiki.cacert.org/SGM/SGM20110508#Minutes (22:37:09) WernerDworak: Mario, Du bist wieder law (22:37:29) law heißt jetzt MarioLipinski (22:37:58) MarioLipinski: sorry, i had to identify to irc services, seems like being privileged requires me to change nick to law (22:38:01) ***VoteBot Voting on "Accept SGM minutes of may 2011: https://wiki.cacert.org/SGM/SGM20110508#Minutes" will end in 30 seconds! (22:39:06) ***VoteBot has totaled the results for "Accept SGM minutes of may 2011: https://wiki.cacert.org/SGM/SGM20110508#Minutes" (22:39:09) ***VoteBot --- AYE: 25 (22:39:09) ***VoteBot --- NAYE: 0 (22:39:11) ***VoteBot --- ABSTAIN: 5 (22:39:22) LambertHofstra: Again, the SGM minutes are accepted (22:39:35) LambertHofstra: The next item is the board report. This has been sent to all members by email, and will be published soon. (22:39:35) LambertHofstra: Are there any questions regarding this report? (22:39:52) WytzevanderRaay: I have not seen it, when was it sent?? (22:40:05) LambertHofstra: one hour ago, sorry for that (22:40:07) UlrichSchroeter: 5 min's ago :-P (22:40:28) WytzevanderRaay: Then you cannot be serious about us having questions about it :-( (22:40:32) AlexanderPrinsier: https://wiki.cacert.org/AGM/BoardReport/2011 (22:41:39) AlexanderPrinsier: I suggest we re-order the agenda, and do this in the end (22:42:06) TomasTrnka: AlexanderPrinsier: that seems reasonable (22:42:27) LambertHofstra: It is the summary of our activities so nothing new in there. Ido not mind discussing this at the end (22:42:39) BenediktHeintel: AlexanderPrinsier, that's a bad idea, just give us 10 minutes to read it (22:43:01) AlexanderPrinsier: I'm getting mixed feedback hehe :) (22:43:22) TomasTrnka: Well, I'm fine with anything, I've read it on the wiki before (22:44:35) LambertHofstra: Then I propose we do the finance report first: https://wiki.cacert.org/AGM/FinancialReport/2011 (22:44:59) LambertHofstra: And then get back to the board report (22:45:41) AlexanderBahlo: who is the author of the board report? (22:46:01) AlexanderBahlo: i believe i spotted an error (22:46:13) LambertHofstra: Alexander: that was me (22:47:28) UlrichSchroeter: alex whats the identified error ? (22:48:58) LambertHofstra: Now that we're still on the board report. Alexander's question is regarding our activities to get more Australian members: "This worked out well: two of the new members joined the board, and one became our new Public Officer." ==> (22:49:22) LambertHofstra: ==> Alexander asked if the public officer is also board member. (22:49:47) LambertHofstra: No, he's not, the sentence should read: "This worked out well: two of the new members joined the board, and a third became our new Public Officer." (22:49:59) LambertHofstra: This will be corrected (22:50:22) LambertHofstra: Are there other questions regarding the board report? (22:50:59) BenediktHeintel: How about the CAcert Inc. Member Count? (22:51:16) BenediktHeintel: oh, sorry, I missed it (22:51:19) BenediktHeintel: sorry (22:51:31) LambertHofstra: Ok (22:52:17) LambertHofstra: If there are no further questions I'd like to go to our next item: the finance report (https://wiki.cacert.org/AGM/FinancialReport/2011) (22:52:34) LambertHofstra: Are there any question regarding the finance report? (22:52:42) TomasTrnka: Yes, I have one (22:52:52) LambertHofstra: Tomas: go aheaqd (22:53:03) TomasTrnka: There's this order-of-magnitude drop in ad income (22:53:23) GuillaumeRomagny: no more ads ! (22:53:41) TomasTrnka: The reason stated is "no ads on website", but I currently see one for some dental stuff right there (22:53:50) TomasTrnka: So what's the current state (22:54:02) LambertHofstra: AlexanderPrinsier: can you comment on that? (22:54:04) TomasTrnka: (yes, this is perhaps off-topic to the actual report) (22:54:28) AlexanderPrinsier: some years ago there was usually deals to have advertising links on our website yes (22:54:36) AlexanderPrinsier: we didn't have such a thing for more than a year (22:54:40) AlexanderPrinsier: we have one again now, but only one... (22:54:47) AlexanderPrinsier: we could use a second and third :) (22:54:57) TomasTrnka: So that's just a random fluctuation? (22:55:18) TomasTrnka: Ok then, I was wondering if there was some decision to stop selling ad space (22:55:35) AlexanderPrinsier: we're only talking about one or two links... if you go to zero you loose a lot of income :) (22:55:49) AlexanderPrinsier: i actually don't have a histogram on the google ads, not sure how it compares to previous years (22:56:02) AlexanderPrinsier: should make a split next year... between google ads and website links (22:56:23) LambertHofstra: Tomas, does that answer your question? (22:56:26) TomasTrnka: oK, thanks for clarification (22:56:29) TomasTrnka: I'm fine (22:56:38) LambertHofstra: Otherf questions? (22:57:39) LambertHofstra: Then I would like to continue with our next topic: election of office bearers (22:58:04) BenediktHeintel: is there no need to vote about the Finance Report? (22:58:04) UlrichSchroeter: whats with voting for finance report ? (22:58:34) GuillaumeRomagny: yes we need to vote it (22:58:47) LambertHofstra: Sorry, was going too fast (22:59:02) LambertHofstra: Mario, can you ask for a vote on the finance report? (22:59:17) TomasTrnka: and perhaps on the board report, too? (we've voted for that last AGM, too) (22:59:31) VoteBot: MarioLipinski has started a vote on: Accept the finance report (https://wiki.cacert.org/AGM/FinancialReport/2011) (22:59:31) ***VoteBot please vote on: Accept the finance report (https://wiki.cacert.org/AGM/FinancialReport/2011) (23:01:01) ***VoteBot Voting on "Accept the finance report (https://wiki.cacert.org/AGM/FinancialReport/2011)" will end in 30 seconds! (23:01:32) VoteBot hat den Raum verlassen (quit: Excess Flood). (23:02:01) MarioLipinski: [Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:01:39 GMT] INFO [SENT] PRIVMSG #agm :ACTION --- AYE: 24 (23:02:01) MarioLipinski: [Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:01:39 GMT] INFO [SENT] PRIVMSG #agm :ACTION --- NAYE: 0 (23:02:01) MarioLipinski: [Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:01:39 GMT] INFO [SENT] PRIVMSG #agm :ACTION --- ABSTAIN: 8 (23:02:29) LambertHofstra: Ok, I declare it accepted (23:02:31) VoteBot [VoteBot@CAcert.Web.Interface.User] hat den Raum betreten. (23:03:01) Modus (+o VoteBot) von MarioLipinski (23:03:08) UlrichSchroeter: i want to declare that I've voted later aye instead of abstain .... but votebot looses connection before vote time ends (23:03:30) MarioLipinski: UlrichSchroeter: no it does not. (23:03:37) LambertHofstra: Now, regarding the board report: it is the report of the board activities. We can vote on it but I'm not sure what it would mean if it is not accepted (23:03:38) UlrichSchroeter: caused by misreading the vote call ... as board report instead of finance report (23:04:23) LambertHofstra: Do you want to vote on the board report? (23:04:51) TomasTrnka: oK, so probably it's not necessary (23:05:10) BenediktHeintel: If we do not vote on the boad report, we cannot release the board (23:05:11) GuillaumeRomagny: Lambert : just ask if anyone is against (23:05:25) BenediktHeintel: this means not new election is possible (23:05:38) LambertHofstra: Is anyone against the board report? (23:05:55) MarioLipinski: Not sure if our rules require to release the board... (23:06:16) UlrichSchroeter: Association act requires the financial report .... (23:06:25) LambertHofstra: Yes (23:06:26) UlrichSchroeter: inc rules too ,-) (23:06:31) AlexanderBahlo: no, not against. only please correct the minor issue. (23:06:42) LambertHofstra: alexander: yes, we'll do (23:06:50) AlexanderBahlo: perfect :) (23:06:51) LambertHofstra: ok, then next topic (23:07:09) LambertHofstra: Election of office-bearers of the association and ordinary members of the committee. (23:07:38) LambertHofstra: As you know only three board nominees have accepted (23:08:14) LambertHofstra: We need 7 office bearers. I therefore ask for nominations from the floor (23:08:16) BenediktHeintel: aren't there any new members to present? (23:08:21) Modus (+v BenediktFrenzel) von MarioLipinski (23:08:59) dirkastrath: michael taenzer is on the list since the board-meeting last week ... (23:09:01) MarioLipinski: Michael Tänzer was discussed via email, but rules require to have nominations made during the meeting. (23:09:12) MarcusMaengel: I nominate Michael t?nzer (23:09:17) dirkastrath: second (23:09:20) MichaelTaenzer: accept (23:09:22) WernerDworak: I second michael (23:09:23) RaoulXavierBoerlage: I would accept if nominated (23:09:49) dirkastrath: i nominate raoul ... (23:09:50) LambertHofstra: I nominate RaoullXavierBoerlage (23:09:54) LambertHofstra: second (23:09:54) WernerDworak: second (23:09:55) MarioLipinski: second (23:09:57) BenediktHeintel: I second RaoulXavierBoerlage (23:09:58) UlrichSchroeter: second Raoul (23:09:58) MarcusMaengel: I second Raoul (23:09:59) GuillaumeRomagny: second (23:10:07) LambertHofstra: Ok, so far we have: (23:10:14) LambertHofstra: Dirk Astrath (23:10:24) LambertHofstra: Piers Lauder (23:10:25) MarioLipinski: AlexanderPrinsier: would you like to continue as board member / treasurer? (23:10:38) LambertHofstra: Jeffery Frederick (23:11:07) LambertHofstra: Michael Taenzer (23:11:18) LambertHofstra: RaoulXavierBoerlage (23:11:36) MarioLipinski: According to my interpretation of the rules, Dirk, Piers and Jeffery are already taken as being elected. (23:11:41) MarcusMaengel: MArio what is with you? (23:11:44) dirkastrath: what about mario and lambert? (23:11:56) MichaelTaenzer: MarioLipinski: would you do another year? (23:12:21) DorisSteinbichler: I nominate WernerDworak (23:12:26) MarioLipinski: I would. But I can promise I would not have more time than during the last year. So more active board members would be more appreciated. (23:12:33) AlexanderPrinsier: I'm willing to prepare another finance report, or help someone in making one, but that doesn't require being a board member. I felt the meetings took more time than I had available and that's why I hadn't accepted so far because I don't think I have this much regular meeting time available. (23:13:20) AlexanderPrinsier: If we run into a shortage of members for board, I could accept the treasurer position, but then I will only safeguard the finances and prepare the financial report without any other board work. (23:13:25) MichaelTaenzer: WernerDworak: second (23:13:38) LambertHofstra: For those who have nominated me: I've been in the board for two year now, and due to personal circumstances I have not been able to put in enough time. Therefore I would like to step down and make place for someone else (23:13:53) BenediktHeintel: Are there any Australians in the meeting here who are willing to be part of the new committee? (23:13:59) WernerDworak: I agree (23:14:17) GuillaumeRomagny: Lambert : And we thank you for all the time spent (23:14:42) MichaelTaenzer: Thanks LambertHofstra (23:14:51) RaoulXavierBoerlage: Lambert: tnx for your time (23:14:52) JanDittberner: Lambert: thanks from me too (23:14:59) AlexanderBahlo: thanks lambert! (23:15:16) UlrichSchroeter: thanks lambert from me (23:15:33) MartinGummi: thanks LambertHofstra (23:15:48) LambertHofstra: Thanks. I will stay involved, just not as board (23:15:54) dirkastrath: many thanks to lambert ... (23:16:13) WernerDworak: Thanks Lambert (23:16:29) GuillaumeRomagny: Lambert : and also for the time to come :) (23:16:58) LambertHofstra: Ok, so far we have three people elected by default (Dirk, Piers, Jeffrey), and three candidates (Michael, Raoul, Werner) (23:17:10) LambertHofstra: Do we have another candidate? (23:17:34) MichaelTaenzer: LambertHofstra: Mario (23:17:37) BenediktHeintel: mario will continue (23:17:38) TomasTrnka: Anyone else willing to accept a free nomination? (23:17:44) MatthiasSubik: i second werner (23:18:17) LambertHofstra: Mario, if there are no further candidates, will you accept for another year? (23:18:27) UlrichSchroeter: one sidenote ... AU residents we currently have on the floor: Piers and Ian ... no more AU member currently onlibe (23:18:27) MarioLipinski: yes. (23:18:29) UlrichSchroeter: online (23:19:08) LambertHofstra: Ok, then we have a new committee, without voting. (23:19:19) MarioLipinski: If there become other members available during the year, I might also consider opening a casual vacancy. (23:19:40) LambertHofstra: The new committee consist of (23:19:44) LambertHofstra: Dirsk Astrath (23:19:48) LambertHofstra: Piers Lauder (23:20:02) LambertHofstra: jeffrey Frederick (23:20:10) MatthiasSubik: may i nominate another person? (23:20:13) LambertHofstra: Michael Taenzer (23:20:14) MatthiasSubik: or is it too late? (23:20:22) LambertHofstra: RaoulXavierBoerlage (23:20:32) LambertHofstra: WernerDworak (23:20:40) LambertHofstra: MarioLipinski (23:20:50) TomasTrnka: MatthiasSubik: you probably can (23:21:00) LambertHofstra: Matthias: yes, you can (23:21:09) LambertHofstra: go ahead (23:21:16) WernerDworak: I would nominate Ian Grigg (23:21:18) MatthiasSubik: I would like to nominate Tomas (23:21:30) TomasTrnka: WernerDworak: He already declined several times :) (23:21:33) LambertHofstra: I second Tomas (23:21:37) TomasTrnka: MatthiasSubik: You mean me? (23:21:41) MatthiasSubik: if you accept .. (23:21:55) MichaelTaenzer: I second TomasTrnka (23:22:13) MatthiasSubik: I'm reading through old posts … and if I like a word, I would want to hear more. (23:22:16) TomasTrnka: Well, I'm willing to put in enough time, but I certainly doubt I have anything to bring to the Board (23:22:26) WernerDworak: A non-german candidate would be real fine, so Tomas go ahead (23:22:29) WytzevanderRaay: I second TomasTrnka (23:22:39) dirkastrath: me too ... i second tomas (23:22:52) WernerDworak: I second tomas (23:22:58) TomasTrnka: Okay then, I accept, I can at least do minutes and stuff :) (23:23:00) JanDittberner: I second TomasTrnka (23:23:16) FrancoisMarier: do we have enough AU residents on the new board to meet the NSW rules? (23:23:20) dirkastrath: nope (23:23:23) TomasTrnka: FrancoisMarier: Not yet (23:23:47) LambertHofstra: Ok, unless Mario declines we still can have votes (23:23:54) GuillaumeRomagny: Not enough AU resident :( (23:24:10) UlrichSchroeter: we have to go the special subcommittee way ........ (23:24:15) MarioLipinski: I decline (23:24:38) LambertHofstra: Ok, then again, we have the following committee: (23:24:53) TomasTrnka: UlrichSchroeter: Yes, let's hope anyone AU accepts the appointment to Board (23:25:03) UlrichSchroeter: :) (23:26:01) RaoulXavierBoerlage: We have only one AU res. at the momentif I'm correct (23:26:10) UlrichSchroeter: yup (23:26:13) GuillaumeRomagny: Raoul : yes (23:26:19) LambertHofstra: Piers Lauder, Dirk Astrath, jeffrey Frederick, Michael Taenzer, RaoulXavierBoerlage, WernerDworak, TomasTrnka (23:26:26) LambertHofstra: Congratulations !! (23:26:39) RaoulXavierBoerlage: Tnx (23:26:47) ***BenediktHeintel is clapping his hands (23:26:53) PiersLauder: As there is no work required of the AU members coopted via the sub-committee manoevre, I think we'll be able to find a couple of warm bodies... (23:26:59) GuillaumeRomagny: Welcome to the new Board and the new Challenges to come (23:27:28) MichaelTaenzer: Thanks (23:27:46) LambertHofstra: Now, is the new board going to take the chair, or do youn want me to finish this AGM? (23:28:08) MichaelTaenzer: no just go on (23:28:13) dirkastrath: you may finish the agm ... ;-) (23:28:23) TomasTrnka: LambertHofstra: go on, please (23:28:24) dirkastrath: you prepared yourself for the agm ... ;-) (23:28:33) LambertHofstra: Ok, next topic are three special resolutions. (23:28:37) UlrichSchroeter: new board didn't selected the positions (23:29:01) LambertHofstra: These are created to bring our rules in line with the Association Act 2009 (23:29:06) GuillaumeRomagny: Ulrich : no need now (23:29:16) RaoulXavierBoerlage: We will do that at our frist meet. (23:29:38) LambertHofstra: As this is a set to bring the rules in line, I propose we vote on the set, and not on individual changes (23:29:47) UlrichSchroeter: this was a comment on Lamberts takeover to new chair ... (23:30:04) TomasTrnka: LambertHofstra: seconded (23:30:11) LambertHofstra: Are there any members who oppose that, and want individual votes for each and every special resolution? (23:31:09) LambertHofstra: For the record: this is for the following changes: (23:31:13) MarioLipinski: For the new board members: Do you all have a cacert.org email address? If not -> get one (email-admin@cacert.org). Send me signed mail with your email addresses you'd like to have recognized for lists and voting tool. New secretary may also contact me, if a handover is desired ;). (23:31:45) LambertHofstra: Replace Association Act 1984 Links with Accociation Act 2009 Links within current CAcert Inc (23:31:47) LambertHofstra: Special resolution: rule change. Delete Common Seal (39) (*). By Ulrich Schröter. (23:32:06) LambertHofstra: 13.1 refers to rule 11 not rule 12. As it talks about a a right of an appeal against a resolution of the committee this would indicate it is referring to Rule 12. (23:32:32) UlrichSchroeter: one note on #1 ... (23:32:34) LambertHofstra: I have not seen any protests so far, therefore I call for a vote on all three changes as proposed by Ulrich (23:32:38) TomasTrnka: I have yet another question though, to Uli as the author: Are these changes all that's necessary for compliance, or is there another missing piece? (23:32:55) LambertHofstra: ulrich: go ahead (23:33:10) UlrichSchroeter: the 6 or 7 topics displayed under (23:33:27) MarioLipinski: I'd like to add: was the reference for the agm agenda updated in the most recent proposal? (23:33:30) UlrichSchroeter: https://wiki.cacert.org/AGM/RuleChange/FixAssActLinks (23:34:06) UlrichSchroeter: are all the links that required to change to become in compliance with the act (23:34:26) GuillaumeRomagny: UlrichSchroeter : Thanks for the work completed (23:34:28) UlrichSchroeter: one late change was a minor change I've identified last week (23:34:59) LambertHofstra: Ok, so the proposed set will bring us in line with the association act 2009 (23:35:18) UlrichSchroeter: inc rule 25 to become -> (23:35:19) UlrichSchroeter: 25 Annual general meetings - calling of and business at (2) (d) to receive and consider the statement which is required to be submitted to members under section 44 for a tier 1 association -or- section 48 for a tier 2 association of the Act. (23:36:03) UlrichSchroeter: with this definition, we're also safe if CAcert Inc becomes a Tier 1 association (23:36:12) UlrichSchroeter: currently CAcert inc is a Tier 2 association (23:36:18) LambertHofstra: ok (23:36:50) MarioLipinski: shall I start the vote for all three proposals at once? (23:36:57) LambertHofstra: I call for a vote to accept the set of changes as proposed in the agenda, and explained in this meeting, to make our rules compliant with the 2009 association act (23:37:03) LambertHofstra: Yes, please (23:37:13) VoteBot: MarioLipinski has started a vote on: Accept the three changes to the association rules proposed (delete common seal, fix reference for appeal, association act references) (23:37:13) ***VoteBot please vote on: Accept the three changes to the association rules proposed (delete common seal, fix reference for appeal, association act references) (23:37:23) MarioLipinski heißt jetzt MarioLipinski_ (23:38:00) phideltacity: Hi, Sorry im Late (23:38:43) ***VoteBot Voting on "Accept the three changes to the association rules proposed (delete common seal, fix reference for appeal, association act references)" will end in 30 seconds! (23:39:13) VoteBot hat den Raum verlassen (quit: Excess Flood). (23:39:35) MarioLipinski_: [Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:39:21 GMT] INFO [SENT] PRIVMSG #agm :ACTION has totaled the results for "Accept the three changes to the association rules proposed (delete common seal, fix reference for appeal, association act references)" (23:39:36) MarioLipinski_: [Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:39:21 GMT] INFO [SENT] PRIVMSG #agm :ACTION --- AYE: 30 (23:39:36) MarioLipinski_: [Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:39:21 GMT] INFO [SENT] PRIVMSG #agm :ACTION --- NAYE: 0 (23:39:36) MarioLipinski_: [Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:39:21 GMT] INFO [SENT] PRIVMSG #agm :ACTION --- ABSTAIN: 1 (23:39:48) phideltacity heißt jetzt PhilippDunkel (23:39:49) GuillaumeRomagny: (23:39:23) JohnCagnol: yes (23:39:56) VoteBot [VoteBot@CAcert.Web.Interface.User] hat den Raum betreten. (23:40:43) GuillaumeRomagny: John vote is missing (23:40:50) LambertHofstra: ok, the changes are accepted (23:40:55) UlrichSchroeter: I thank you all for your clear vote :) (23:41:04) AlexanderPrinsier: :) (23:41:11) LambertHofstra: Guillaume, it would not have changed the outcome (23:41:23) LambertHofstra: ok (23:41:33) LambertHofstra: That brings us to the end of the agenda (23:41:45) MarioLipinski_: depends on the definition of missing... (23:41:46) MarioLipinski_: [14:38:51] * VoteBot Voting on "Accept the three changes to the association rules proposed (delete common seal, fix reference for appeal, association act references)" will end in 30 seconds! (23:41:46) MarioLipinski_: [14:39:21] * VoteBot hat das Thema geändert zu: Waiting for a Vote to be called (23:41:46) MarioLipinski_: [14:39:21] * VoteBot hat die Verbindung getrennt (Excess Flood) (23:41:46) MarioLipinski_: [14:39:23] yes (23:42:11) LambertHofstra: I want to thank you for attending (23:42:30) TomasTrnka: LambertHofstra: Thank you for leading us through yet another AGM (23:42:42) LambertHofstra: and thanks to the new board members (23:42:53) dirkastrath: will there be a question time? ;-) (23:42:56) LambertHofstra: Thanks you all, I hereby close the meeting